Waters last book is not my fault

Since I’ve linked Jeff’s comments about Guy Waters book (by the way, I would really like to read the Westminster Theological Journal’s published interaction between Nick Perrin and Guy Waters, if anyone wants to send me their copy), I figure I should point out that I tried to help him out.

I had wondered where all the weird mischaracterizations in the Mississippi Valley report purporting to say something truthful about a movement they allege to exist called “the Federal Vision.” My answer came finally when someone sent me audiorecordings of lectures by Guy Waters that made a bunch of completely false claims about me.

Just to give one rather mild example: My attempts to disentangle the Covenant or works from a scheme of strict merit were claimed to be attempts to reject the “traditional” doctrine of the covenant of works. It was nonsense from beginning to end. A column I wrote for the local newspaper, where I presumed readers would be mostly dispensationalists, was treated as it was an attack on Reformed theology. Of course, one couldn’t know the original context from the web article, but that is my point: One phone call would have helped Waters immensely. Instead he spun fantasies about what I believe and teach and circulated these things among the brethren without my knowledge. These things became the basis for the Mississippi Valley Presbytery’s rather fantastic report.

So I emailed Guy and asked him to show me what he planned to write about me. I promised not to share it, of course. I figured that since one PCA minister is writing an attack on another PCA minister, the writer would want to make sure his work was as accurate as possible.

Well. No go. Waters was willing to let me seach through all the audio recordings (which he may or may not be planning to put in his book) but he wasn’t going to let me see what he intended to say until it was safely out in the public eye. This, he told me, was P&R policy.

Oddly, this policy did not prevent the forbidden manuscript from being freely passed out among the elders of Woodruff Road PCA (“All quotes in point #3 are taken from Guy Waters, “Covenant Theology Improved? Assessing the Federal Vision,” forthcoming, pp9-10.”). Nor was it withheld from the OPC Study Committee (which, of course, also practiced intellectual hygeine themselves by never bothering to contact me–though at least they didn’t boldly refuse contact).

So, when you read Waters book, remember that he self-consciously refused to interact with the people he is attacking. If you find responses to his claims become available, keep in mind that these responses could have been shared with him before his work was published.

5 thoughts on “Waters last book is not my fault

  1. Davidponter

    oh the pain of blogging in comments.

    Sorry about that, please delete “Hey Mark” at your convenience.

    The interaction between Waters and Perrin was very good. Waters did not come off well there. The thing to watch out for is that his opponent may have won more on form: I am still thinking about it. The context was mostly over methods and judgements regarding sources. But overall, I thought Perrin was hitting the nail on the head, the problem Waters could not see. It did appear to me that it was shown that Waters was “filtering” tha data through a pre-existing interpretative grid, and so reading accordingly, and almost inexorably. The other guy was trying to make Waters aware of that.

    The whole N.T. Wright thing needs more careful work. Thanks for the book review-links too.

    David
    ps,Let me know if you cant get a copy of it.
    pps, Im not a NPP guy 🙂

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  2. The Native Tourist

    If it turns out that Waters has written falsehoods about you and your published statements, you charge him with slander within the church courts. This is completely appropriate, esp. given the fact that he refused to interact with before the book was published. He obviously has shown little Christian charity. Also, it is really hard to believe that P&R has a policy of not allowing manuscripts to be shared.

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  3. Astrofan

    What a bizarre sub-culture Presbyterians live in. It kinda makes me miss being a Baptist sometimes. No doubt, as a sinner I’m part of the problem.

    At any rate, keep up the good work. Your writing encourages me. This site, Common Grounds, Anthony Bradley, Thirdmill, and Jollyblogger are the best things on the web, IMHO.

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  4. adam

    Absolutely disgusts me. My wife and I are praying for your public vindication along with all of those under attack for their faithfulness to God’s covenant word and His covenant people. I know it’s not the first time, but this is out of control. The Lord continue to bless you, and allow you to be blessing to His Church.

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